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Post by r/c basher on Dec 27, 2010 18:39:08 GMT -6
I received a Ar6110e receiver for Christmas and was going to put it in my Super Cub but on doing some research on it I have found that people have had problems with this particular receiver similar to the ar500. I bound it to my super cub just fine and it works great but I dont know if I should trust it. Does anyone else have this receiver and have any experience with it? Its the end pin version.
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Post by Raygun on Dec 27, 2010 18:53:14 GMT -6
I have had one for a year now and no problems I have read about the 6100 with brown out issues but that was usually traced back to power fall off because there was too small of a BEC. I like mine so much I would buy another real or clone.. Ray
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Post by 19000rpm on Dec 28, 2010 7:28:28 GMT -6
I agree with Ray. The only problems have been brown outs which isn't an Rx problem, it's a power issue. As long as you have a good battery and electrical connections, solder joints, etc., you shouldn't have a problem. Faulty connectors or broken wires associated with the ESC seem be the primary causes of brown outs. Sometimes when the battery is getting a little low and a servo(s) hangs up momentairily, or has too much mechanical resistance, that will cause a drop in system power causing a brown out. If you have a brown out sometimes you can recover it by closing the throttle and the Rx will reset when you raise the throttle. I've had a few of those with various Spektrum Rx's, but none with 6110 yet. It's a good idea to check the Rx after every flight before you unplug the battery. If you've had a brown out the Rx will flash slowly. If you have had a signal loss it will flash rapidly. I had a rash of those too this past year.
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Post by r/c basher on Dec 28, 2010 10:31:25 GMT -6
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Post by Raygun on Dec 28, 2010 11:27:58 GMT -6
I think one of the comments hit the nail on the head it is a momentary loss of power the bec in the esc is not up to the task, these new digital servos every time they move they max out there amp rating. The BEC's in the esc's cannot keep up with that and the receiver gets starved of its needed power. With all the new digital servos coming up on the market the esc manufactures have not keeped up with the power needs of these new electronics. Its like filling a house built in the forties with all the modern electronics without updating the electrical service you will blow a fuse!! Ray
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Post by 19000rpm on Dec 28, 2010 12:11:44 GMT -6
Some people, trying to find answer, will point at this Rx, or that one, because they don't understand the entire system that keeps the plane in the air.
I couldn't add the number of flights I've had with the AR6000 series, probably somewhere around 500-600, and I've had a few problems, but, all in all, I can't say any of them were from a bad Rx. I've even sent a few back to Horizon for checking and they came back with a clean bill of health. The problems must have been current related elsewhere in the system as we've been discussing.
Almost everyone that adds an external BEC see's brownouts dissapear if the rest of the electronics, battery and connections are sound. This is particularly important when running a multitude of servos, especially the digitals as Ray says, where the internal BEC could be maxed out.
For your Cub: You're not going to have a BEC issue if your running a decent ESC capable of driving at least 4 analog servos.
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Post by r/c basher on Dec 28, 2010 14:19:45 GMT -6
Thanks Ray and 19k, you guys have really explained it really well. It makes more sense now, the Bec in the esc wouldnt be capable of supplying sufficient power to all the servos and the rx too so something has to give.
Right now Im using an Exceed rc Proton 30 amp esc, powering 2 Esky 8 gram Digital Servos for the rudder and elevator on the Cub.
Now that I think about it I wonder if my Exi 450 is ok since Im using 4 Digital servos without an external BEC, Im using an Exceed rc Proton 30 amp esc, powering 4 9g Exi d213f Servos, gyro, 450 motor, rx. So far after about 15 flights its been fine, the rx has never come back flashing at least not when Ive checked it.
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Post by Solitaire on Dec 28, 2010 14:26:36 GMT -6
While I agree with Ray about some systems overloading the BEC, I'm not sure the AR6110E problem falls into that category. The "no throttle" issue that many have stated appears to only happen with the end pin version of the 6110. I'm also not sure this is a widespread issue, but under the circumstances, I'll stick with the tried and true.
The AR6100, 6100E and all the clones seem to be working fine for me, so there is no need to try an AR6110E if there is the slightest possibility it may fail.
But, that's just me...I usually come out on the short end of the stick when there's gambling involved.
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Post by Raygun on Dec 28, 2010 18:45:14 GMT -6
Sol is right there are some people out there that would love to see spektrum stuff fail so they knit pick every tiny glitch and blame it on the receiver. I don't believe it is that common either.. Ray
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Post by r/c basher on Dec 29, 2010 11:17:40 GMT -6
The thing is Horizon discontinued the ar6100 and ar6100e, and the ar6110 and ar6110e replaces it. I just took out the super cub with the ar6110e in it and flew it for the first time, I didnt have any problems and checked the rx and the light was solid. Also did a range check before the flight and everything worked.
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Post by Raygun on Dec 29, 2010 11:45:29 GMT -6
I don't know if they really quit making the 6100 series they still put them in the Blade SR.. Ray
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Post by r/c basher on Dec 29, 2010 13:15:10 GMT -6
Well I was going to go out and fly the Super Cub with the ar6110e again but I guess not now. When I was doing the usual check of the controls before a flight the servos didnt act right. When I moved the stick on the tx the servos sometimes would "stick" or jump and after a second then they would move the right direction, Im pretty sure its not the servos both of them are doing it. I guess I get to see how Horizons CS is for the first time.
I should also note this was only a few feet away and the receiver light was always on, so its not a brown out.
Well that confirms that its the ar6110e, I just tried it in my t28 and the same exact thing happened.
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Post by Solitaire on Dec 29, 2010 15:01:21 GMT -6
From what I've read, Horizon isn't questioning any returns of the AR6110E for exchange. In one case the customer got an AR6100E as the replacement even though Horizon indicated there was nothing wrong with his 6110E.
I'm thinking Horizon has received a number of questionable 6110E's, but yet hasn't put out a campaign. Just a gut feeling.
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Post by 19000rpm on Dec 29, 2010 15:56:15 GMT -6
Boy, that's too bad. Is there some chance it may be the Tx? Otherwise, I'm afraid you might have gotten a bad 6110e after all. You won't have any problem with Horizon CS. It's a good thing you're taking your time and checking everything before you fly.
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Post by r/c basher on Dec 30, 2010 11:09:06 GMT -6
I dont think its my dx6i, I used it with an ar6200 last night in my t28 and it worked perfect. Could it possibly be interference like if I had the dx6i to close to the ar6110e or something, and the signal be to strong? And it cause the servos to jump and act weird.
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