u can do 3d 60

[Evan]

I want one bad with a OS 75 or 91. Now that I know I can fly going to work on saving for the kit and motor probly Yank everything out of the escapade. Till then keep flying the spade.

[19000rpm]

3D is fun and challenging. Before you put a lot of money in a big gas bird you might want to get a foam electric to practice with.

[akent]

Yep, you'll tear up a 3d crunchie!

If you don't want to roll your own, some very good and durable 3d birds are from 3d Hobby Shop.
www.3dhobbyshop.com/Foamies_c_318.html
I'm flying the Extra and it is awesome.

Other great 3d foamies are the Sniper:
www.rcdude.com/servlet/the-135/Hyperion-Sniper-II-3D/Detail

And the Su-29:
www.twistedhobbys.com/RCF-39-EPP-SU-29-RCF-39-SU-29.htm

I own an Su-29, the Sniper II, and the Extra foamies.
These are all incredible flyers, and they are all fairly cheap to build.

For crunchie 3d planes, I have an electrified Hangar 9 Katana 50. (I am flying only electric.)
Folks are trying to talk me into 3d gassers, but I'm just not ready for that. I watch them crash theirs all the time and it gets expensive!

I've crashed my foamies dozens of times and they are worst case just some glue away (sometimes pieces of EPP!) from flying again.

You'll love 3d when you try it, but it's really fun to be able to do 3d on the deck. With foamies, you can smack it in and 9 times out of 10 you can just toss it up again!

Too much fun!
Kent

PS: I really don't think that nitro engines are reliable enough for 3d. If you find yourself in a hover or other 3d maneuvers and the engine dies anywhere close to the ground, then you will crash. I would highly recommend either electric or gas.

[Evan]

I like the 3dhs profile 48 extra

I probly wouldn't do true 3d just kinda slow snappy flips and vertical pull outs. Maybe some higher altitude crazy stuff big slow loops.

Thanks for the replies

[akent]

Evan, actually, the 3dhs Extra is not a profile.
That foamie actually has a fuselage with light ply formers! The EPP foam is basically the skin that makes it very durable.
It's an awesome build method.

Pluses relative to a standard EPP foamie:
1. It is more rigid and flies more precisely.
2. It is easy to build, not requiring all the carbon stiffeners.

Minuses:
1. If you hit the ground hard, you will break some of the internal plywood. It is a little harder to fix. But it will be fixable 95% of the time, where a crunchie will go in the garbage can!

Standard EPP airframes are like a chunk of foam that you can usually just bounce off the ground! The stiffer you make one with carbon stiffeners, wood, and the like, the less likely it will just bounce.

I have a very old EPP Yak that I cut from sheets of EPP. I have literally crashed that plane 100's of times and some at full throttle! It is not the best flyer, and is now rather Fugly, but hey, it still flies! I think I have a grand total of 40 bucks in the whole thing. And it will hover and do all manner of 3d!
There is a thread on the build and I seem to remember a video or two of this somewhere on here.

Take care,
Kent

[Evan]

I'm aware of the ply internal fuesalge on the profile extra foamie. I think it does have carbon in the wings.

[akent]

I should have mentioned that at our club in south Austin (HCAM or Hill Country Aeromodelers), I have come to be friends with a handful of fliers.
There is one fellow who is working on 3d big time. He has two 50cc gas big suckers that he flies way up there, and several smaller ones, mostly electric. He's getting pretty good. He does have foamies, too.
There is another fellow who brings something new every week! He's fun, as when a plane gets old, he will just thrash it until it comes apart. If it doesn't then he'll do something to cause it to explode, one way or another. He is fun to be around, when he gets in that mood! He has foamies, too!

Then there is me. I fly a Hangar 9 Christen Eagle, a Great Planes Revolver, a Stryker Q, and several Electric Formula 1 racers, usually.

I also have 3d foamies!

So, at the end of the day, just before dusk, when we have all flown our 'normal' planes all day, and all manner of stuff, it becomes FOAMIE TIME!!!!!

Our 'Foamie Time' is all about 3d'ing foamies. We try to land them on the setup tables in the pits, knock over cameras setup on the runway only with your rudder, flying high alpha through uprights, and things like that!
It's HUGE FUN!
I'll have to find the video on youtube of some of this!
Kent

[19000rpm]

That reminds me; I never put together my Sniper 2.

[Evan]

What's a sniper 2?

[19000rpm]

Check the link in kents post above. It's a 3D electric EPP foamy.

[Evan]

will be pulling the trigger on the bird in a few days

i sure hope she comes with the plane

[19000rpm]

She looks enthusiastic. I wonder if it's the plane or the anticipated trip over to Evan's house?

[Evan]

im sure its the trip to my house.
well have so much fun well forget that she was here to drop off the bird.

bird and hacker motor are on the way

[19000rpm]

Be gentle...With the plane.

[Evan]

motor showed up


puling afew logs tweaking timing and throttle response