This is a good lookin' plane

[Solitaire]

Oh, I thought that translated to "All motor and ferrings"

or is that farings? Hmmm

[Doozer]

Nov 28, 2011 21:00:53 GMT -6 Solitaire said:

Oh, I thought that translated to "All motor and ferrings"

or is that farings? Hmmm

That too. It looks like a large bottle rocket with a prop. Just somethin' about it though. As soon as I saw the R3 I fell in love with it. I'm glad kent posted that up. I'm probably going to end up with the Cermark version of that plane. I'm liking Pylon Racers a bunch.

This is a dangerous thread

[19000rpm]

Nov 28, 2011 19:10:17 GMT -6 Doozer said:

I just watched a video on Carbon-Z technology. Because there are different types of foam, I thought maybe they were mixing carbon fibers into the polystyrene. This wasn't the case. Having shaped balsa foam hybrid surfboards, I found the use of carbon extremely interesting, but not ground breaking. You're just replacing one material for another. It's more of an evolution than a revolution. My guess is that people have been doing this already for years (probably Ray), and they just slapped the Carbon-Z trademark on it.

Here's a video on what Carbon-Z is:

I'm going to go poke some cf rods in the wings of Stinson right now ;D

The Scimitar may seem expensive, but you have to remember there are 6 servos, a rx, a motor, and an ESC/BEC. Throw in some carbon fiber and $320 might be worth it. That's the plug and play... But with the BNF they're charging you $400. That's $80 bucks for their battery with the BS connectors and a crappy D/C field charger.... The same battery @ Hobby Partz is $32. Probably cheaper @ HK.

The plane does look fast and fun though. The Yak looks fun too!

While CF/foam construction isn't original, I believe the Eflite C-Z Yak was the first time it's been mass produced this particular way.

Some say the C-Z planes are difficult to repair because of the integrated foam, CF and honeycomb construction. I hadn't thought of that. It may be true. Something to consider.

Saying the Scimitar is pricey doesn't mean it isn't neccessairily worth it. There are a lot of components and the designing and setting up of the molds and manufacturing processes of C-Z isn't cheap either. As you say, the battery is overpriced. The only way to buy these planes is PNP.

What is apparent, from the relatively low sales of the C-Z Yak, is that there is a price point on foam planes where many buyer's flinch...But possibly, a somewhat more unique airframe, like the Scimitar, has a chance to draw a lot more buyers over the imaginary price line that they were not willing to cross with a design as common as the Yak. We'll see...

I'd like to own both C-Z planes. They'd be a blast to fly. I'll lurk around until they drop the prices. Like I usually do. LOL.

And, that German R3 is beyond sweet. The low pass knife edge with a plane like that...Gulp! I wonder what the German words for "Giant Cajones" are?

[Doozer]

The yak catches my eye and looks very fun. I think $320 would be reasonable if they added the battery. I mean... little set up, easy to maintain, travels light, and is a good looking plane.

What I don't get is why they still used balsa for the spars? If carbon is better than balsa, why not chamber using carbon? I think they could have used carbon in a few more places, but then again, that would have driven up the retail price.

Hopefully I'll find one at a garage sale!


My next plane, until I see something else... is going to be a Gee Bee R3. I'm just not that big into electrics anymore. There are a few reasons I'd fly the Cermark version... price, your can easily repair foam, and to get the basic flight characteristics. You can get that PnP for $101. I think that's a deal, and probably worth jumping all over. However, eventually I think I'd want an ARF kit that I could pour Coleman/gas into.....
www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/AMGEEBEER3-020V1AAF.html

then we'd have to race kent

[Doozer]

I'm really starting to like the Pylon Racers. I found this:

www.hangar-9.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN4520

I have a couple of OS 50 Hyper engines left over from my short lived nitro days. I also have a Toki 40 that needs some love. Here's a video of a guy flying one of these with a Hyper in it


not trying to promote dangerous flying... but man.... that's pretty fast. I do think it would get fairly small pretty quick. Any idea how long you could fly with nitro. This guy fly's a little more than 3 minutes.

[19000rpm]

Well, I'm sold. I ordered the Cermark PNP. I watched a few vids and I was super impressed with the aerobatic capabilities and vertical. And, it's not another Edge, Sukoi or Yak. It's unique. Yes, this is a dangerous thread.

[Doozer]

Nice!!! You'll have to shoot some video for sure! I really like the shape of this plane.

I blame Kent. Kent you ought to email Cermark and point out your handy work ;D

[19000rpm]

Wait a minute Doozer, this is all YOUR FAULT!!! Don't go trying to blame kent. ;D

[Doozer]

lol. Kent knew how to pull my strings I was merely a puppet.

I'm going to get one too! I just have to get through Christmas and buying my dentist a Lamborghini.

[19000rpm]

Great, Cermark won't be going out of business this season. You, me and a few more...

Now, that I think about it, kent maybe an EVIL puppet master....But, in a good way. ;D

[akent]

You guys will thank me later! This R3 is awesome!

The Cermark Geebee R3 is very docile, but also nimble. It likes to fly knife edge and inverted just as well as upright. Very little coupling. It will not tip stall. Just a gentle mush on a stall.
This is an awesome flyer. One of my favorites.

To give you an idea, a friend and I were both flying these at a fun fly in Austin. We made a pass where I was inverted and he was upright. We tried to get as close together as possible. It was close! He pulled up just a hair before I did and his prop ripped into my wing. It completely ripped out an aileron.
No problem! I flew around and landed just like normal. It was just a little sluggish, but not at all a problem. I know of no other plane that could do that!
Someone gave me the ripped out aileron and I rehinged and installed it. No problem! It did take out the servo too, but that was easy to replace. I used a $2.50 HXT-900! It's been working fine for a long time now.
Kent

[akent]

Oh, and if you replace the stock prop with an APC 12x6E, then stick in a 2200ma 4s, you will have a rocket. Everything else is stock.

The stock prop pulls too many amps on 4s. It's some kind of APC clone. The APC 12x6E will pull very close to 50 amps.

Can you say unlimited vertical!

This plane is fast on 4s!
Kent

[akent]

Doozer, if you are interested in E-F1 (Electric Formula 1) racing, then forget that Sundowner. Those are too slow.

You need a Pogo or one of the new Shoestrings.
These go around 110 to 120mph in stock race form.

Pogo:
www.horizonhobby.com/products/lr-1a-pogo-arf-15e-EFL4200

The new Shoestring:
www.horizonhobby.com/products/shoestring-15e-arf-EFL4205

These are FAST! Just use the legal E-F1 components and you will be amazed. These things also handle like they are on rails, literally. They absolutely go where you point them.

I am taking my Pogo tomorrow morning and practicing with a few others in Austin. One fellow, George Parks has won a ton of nationals with uber fast planes in the past. He is now only electric. He races F5D as well. Those are well over 200mph.

I have found out that it is =very hard= to turn left consistently around poles at <50 feet up at 100+mph!
You are about 1ms to poof at any moment...

Fun stuff!
Kent

[19000rpm]

Sounds like some challenging flying. Not only have you got to be good on the sticks, your depth perception has to be spot on.

There's a field north of here where I hear they do a lot of pylon racing. I need to check that out next season.

[Doozer]

I'm more interested in racing with liquid fueled. I'm not ruling out electric, I just like the roar of the engine. I saw on the NMPRA website that they have a Race coming here (Phoenix) in January and then again if Feb. I'm definitely hitting both events.

I'm guess I'm going to have to tuck my tail between my legs and join the AMA. I don't want to, but I'm gonna have to if I want to fly and race. I really don't understand their purpose. People need bureaucracy I guess. Also Kent, I applied to join the NMPRA forum a few days ago, but have yet to be approved. Just wondering what's up. Have you joined that forum?

It would be cool if we could all find a central location and watch some racing. I'm really getting into this.